Concealed Weapons on Campus

As sad as I was to hear about the Northern Illinois University shooting, it didn’t come as a surprise.

If you think anti-gun legislation is working, take a look at this wikipedia entry listing school shootings in recent history. Remember the Nickel Mines Amish School shooting? There have been eight school shootings since then! Needless to say, this heinous crime is no stranger to the evening news.

Clearly, there must be something to deter these shootings from happening.

As you think about solutions, ask yourself this: If a would-be shooter knew that fellow classmates were armed, how likely would they be to go on a shooting rampage?

Not very likely.

Part of the sick thrill seems to be killing those who are helplessly unarmed. As if the idea of, “I’m hurting. I want to die. My life is so disgusting and I can’t think of a positive legacy so why not take the lives of innocent people and go out with a bang? At least I’ll be in the history books for something” is all the license they need. Such reasoning forces me to make contributions to the cuss jar. Let’s give these murders (and no, Ms. Baty, Steven Kazmierczak was not a “victim, too”) something to fear more than dying an unknown.

Keep in mind that the shooters need not necessarily be killed. They could be disarmed by a non-fatal shot or could be intimidated by the drawn weapons of gun-carrying students into dropping their weapon and standing down.

Here’s a current story with a sidebar on the current legislation regarding concealed weapons on campus.

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (CNN) — The senior at the University of Utah gets dressed and then decides which gun is easiest to conceal under his clothes.

If he’s wearing a T-shirt, he’ll take a smaller, low-profile gun to class. If he’s wearing a coat, he may carry a different weapon, he said.

He started carrying a gun to class after the massacre at Virginia Tech, but the student says he’s not part of the problem of campus shootings and could instead be part of a solution.

Nick, who asked not to be fully identified so his fellow students wouldn’t know he carried a gun, says he has had a concealed weapons permit for more than three years. But it was Seung-Hui Cho’s murderous campus rampage that made him take a gun to class.

“Last year, after Virginia Tech, I thought ‘I’m not going to be a victim,’ ” Nick said.

“My first thought was ‘how tragic.’ But then I couldn’t help but think it could’ve been different if they’d allowed the students the right to protect themselves.”

Days after another campus shooting — in which five students and the gunman died at Northern Illinois University — students at colleges in Utah, the only state to allow weapons at all public universities, are attending classes. See which states have laws about hidden weapons on campus »

Nick says his gun doesn’t make him feel immune from attack. “But I feel that I will be able to protect myself, and I’m confident in my training and my ability,” he said.
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His confidence is not shared by fellow student Griselda Espinoza, who recently transferred to the university. Some 28,000 students attend the school, as of the latest enrollment figures.

“I feel less safe knowing that a stranger sitting beside me in class may have a gun in his or her backpack,” she said.

“The only people that should carry guns are trained officials.”

The University of Utah had no comment and referred inquiries to the state Board of Regents. Amanda Covington, Utah State Board of Regents spokeswoman, also would not comment on the current gun laws on school campuses.

However, she said the regents are opposing a legislative proposal to allow people with concealed weapons permits to have the weapons visible in public.

“We are worried that it may affect their [students’ and teachers’] willingness or desire to go to or teach a class on campus,” she said.

The University of Utah, based in Salt Lake City, had prohibited firearms on its campus until that ban was struck down by the state’s Supreme Court in late 2006. The institution, backed by all other universities in the state, is still fighting through federal courts to reinstate the ban.

But state legislators could be moving in the opposite direction, considering a bill to modify current law to allow people in Utah — including students — to carry loaded weapons openly.

Utah State Representative Curtis Oda said the bill, which he is sponsoring, is merely to clarify that people with weapons permits may carry a gun openly or — with a concealed permit — they may hide it for the sake of surprise.

He stressed that people with permits have gone through rigorous checks.

“When you see someone with a gun, you are looking at some of the most law-abiding people in the state,” he said.

The issue goes beyond campus. Last year, a few miles from the University of Utah, a man walked into Trolley Square, a Salt Lake City shopping mall, and opened fire. Police were there in only three minutes, but the shooter had already killed five people and wounded four others.

“And not just shootings, but [serial killer] Ted Bundy did some of his crimes at the University of Utah campus,” said David Seelly, a recent University of Utah graduate who says he carried a concealed gun on campus.

“If one of those ladies was a concealed-weapon holder, she could’ve stopped him before he did as much as he did.”

To get a permit to carry a concealed weapon, people in Utah must, among other things:

# Be 21 years old

# Have no criminal record of violent, immoral or substance-related crime

# Be mentally competent.

Student Kevin Rechtenbach of the University of Utah said he was open to carrying a gun, but not certain that would solve problems.

“If acts of terrorism continue on campus, then I will have no choice but to carry a concealed weapon,” he said.

“But you see, that is where the problem lies: Everybody will end up carrying concealed weapons, and everyday problems will be solved with guns rather than words or even fists.”

The only places on campus that have restrictions are the dormitories. Students can request a roommate who doesn’t carry a gun.

Private colleges in Utah, like the Mormon Church-owned Brigham Young University in Provo, do have more power to ban weapons on campus, but that, too, causes disagreement among students.

“I own some guns, and I wish I was allowed to have them at school,” said Collin Barker, a BYU student. “I would just keep [them] in my car for target shooting.”

Casey Matheny, from Plano, Texas, now studying at BYU, appeared indifferent to the debate over students carrying guns.

“I don’t mind if they have one, I just don’t want to know about it,” he said.
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Rob Morrison, a BYU student from Ontario, Canada, doesn’t think that having guns on campus would necessarily stop a potential killer.

“The people that do it want to commit suicide anyway,” Morrison said. “But it would give students a chance to defend themselves, and at Virginia Tech, it could have ended sooner than it did.

One Reply to “Concealed Weapons on Campus”

  1. I don’t think alot of people that are against guns understand how this all works. To start, laws only restrict law abiding citizens. Criminals will even (surprise, surprise) commit a crime to get a gun. So if you completely restrict guns that still doesn’t stop criminals getting guns.

    So, you want to do away with guns all together. Well then it will be knives, clubs, handmade guns, or the real guns that are still out there that the government hasn’t been able to find and collect. If no one is allowed to have guns then one criminal with a gun will be extremely difficult to subdue.

    The right to bear arms is not only for militias… its for self preservation. To protect one’s self and one’s family. When the east was starting to settle down and getting more heavily populated people moved out west. And it was the so called “civilized people” of that day the abhored violence and guns were the ones that were taken advantage of, that were killed, that didn’t survive because the west was raw and criminals in that day in age didn’t care about laws. Well it hasn’t changed. Criminals still don’t care about laws.

    The concealed permits are expensive, they require a perfectly clean record, class training, and permit renewal training. Concealed permits are a costly investment. I would feel completely safe knowing that someone sitting next to me has a concealed weapon in the classroom i’m in. Yes there is a chance that someone will go “postal” … but that’s what all these other kids did and noone could defend themselves. If everyone in your class is carrying and on kid starts shooting only a couple people might get injured instead of 5,10,15 or more. People that are liscensed to carry are trained on operating a firearm, and must qualify on the range to pass as well as pass the written exam. To continue having your liscense you must renew that permit and requalify often. People who carry guns are not going to unload their magazine on one person so the idead that there would be 300+ bullets flying around a room is rediculous. This is not the movies people.

    if you might get in a wreck you buy airbags for your car and wear a seatbelt.

    So if you might get shot by a lunatic at school or anywhere for that matter, shouldn’t you have protection with you?

    I understand the concern with having random people with permits carrying guns to schools or in public in general. But if it was you in that class room with a gun man shooting at your friends and fellow classmates… would you ask for a gun then? or do you think you would be given the chance to reason with the gun-man for your life because you are so special..
    These gunman don’t care who they kill. Most of them are not in their right minds when they attack. They can’t be reasoned with and they can’t be stopped from starting their attack. Being able to defend one’s self gives everyone a better chance of survival.
    The opposers to gun permits make up a million what if’s to back their claim. So… What if you were a Utah student… and you are in class and a gun-man charges in and starts shooting. And it just so happens that as the gun-man points his gun at you a fellow student takes the shooter down with there concealed firearm. Would you thank your fellow student? or tell them they should have let the gun-man shoot you?

    Don’t ever let anyone tell you that you don’t have the right to defend yourself. Its in the constitution for a reason. You don’t have to like guns and you don’t have to have one yourself and you don’t have tto defend yourself if you don’t want to. Thats your right. But don’t take the rights of others to defend theirselves.

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